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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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Willis your host we have a great show

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for you this evening it's about a really

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interesting sighting in uh Danby uh UK

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that happened back I think was January

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3rd 2012. I do believe there's a lot

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lots of witnesses and so we have Gary

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Jones on for that and he's coming right

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up as our guest tonight uh this week in

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our blog from Charles Lear is to you two

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UFO occupant cases from France one

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happened in 1973

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11974 where they had they called it the

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year of uh humanoids and France uh

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Charles Lear does the blogs and audio

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blogs he's also the author of The Flying

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Saucer investigators you can see that on

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Amazon and our guest this evening also

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has a book we're going to be talking

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about that he wrote a book and he also

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has a documentary on the sighting and

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I'm going to play a clip from that just

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well just like that here we are Gary

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welcome

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hi how you doing

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I'm doing great thanks for being on the

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show I realize that it's uh after

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midnight and we're going to be hanging

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out

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remember that song does anyone know that

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song uh dating myself no after midnight

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we're gonna hang out and on that song Oh

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anyway uh

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so welcome and I'm glad you're stayed up

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for us and I would like to find out who

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Gary Jones is first if you would tell us

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how you got interested in the topic of

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UFOs

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uh well I've always had an interest in

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um I kind of felt in a way this

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subject kind of um shows me in a way

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sight when I was seven years old it was

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a clear UFO something oval shaped my

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friends and I saw it

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for like three minutes it was there and

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then it wasn't it just disappeared I

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don't know like it disappeared in the

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thin air

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I could describe it a little bit it had

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these like strange yellow red orange

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lights and it just moved like the like a

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lava lamp in ways but it glowed very

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unusually and

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um from then I knew these things were

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real and I just from there developed

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more of an interest as time went on I

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watched documentaries and shows

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newspapers and then into books and then

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into documentaries and then now of

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course I've been involved in a lot of

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research and I just decided at some

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point I'm going to investigate it and

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here we are now your friends uh are they

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aware that you've gone this far with the

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some of them friends yeah

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and do you ever talk to them about that

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was it a nighttime or daytime site

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uh well the one from when I was seven

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to bring it up actually not many people

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are interested in uh my own sightings

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they're more interested in the work that

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um no I mean I always bring it up when

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was most unusual it it glowed it hovered

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silently it kind of moved like it was

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like floating on water you know like a

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calm sort of water like that and I just

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remember the lights I know all the

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lights when they moved it was very

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hypnotic in ways it had like a bluish

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story printed in the Daily Star

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newspaper but they didn't really get the

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details right but how it moved it's like

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it would go from left to right

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and I often remember it like the Knight

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Rider car you know remember the old

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flashing red light oh yeah

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um you know you see the bright bit and

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then the little feedy bits after it but

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this would go from red to orange to

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yellowish kind of color like this and um

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friends must have looked at it I think

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one of my friends even jokingly said it

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the hell do I know what UFO means I just

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something so it must be a normal thing

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something quite impressive like that but

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of seconds I looked back and it was gone

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seconds to get from the nemus you know

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to get over the nearest Horizon away

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from me but it was gone in like a matter

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of seconds so yeah it's very strange no

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spectacular as that but when I had my

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thing I was thinking how does this thing

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trigger event I don't know but it

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um the real in-depth research anyway but

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day it was just after the New Year's Eve

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you know the New Year's Eve Christmas

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fashion everything so the January sales

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the back hill of uh where I live

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there was a young lady behind me she was

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just going up to a place I was just

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going to my place and as we sort of like

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15 20 seconds I got off it and then look

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uh it was very cloudy you know like very

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from end to end and it just had that

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like that you know these like really

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very quick you know I could kind of move

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very fast like a fast jet but you know

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it was like and then it disappeared

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to all have in common strange I'm going

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but I'm going to show it right here now

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it's it's not that it's just a few uh

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I think I can talk now so I was in Miami

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caught my eye and I'm looking over and I

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was lucky enough to get my camera you

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know my phone out my camera and play

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this and I'm like looking at it it

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disappears and it comes back I'm saying

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you got to be kidding me I'm actually

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uh it ended up being a banner being

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pulled by a plan a plane an advertising

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Banner it's just that it was turning and

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it was far away and as it got closer I

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clip and you think wow that is really

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that's a UFO right there and it

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disappears and yeah but anyway it's

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unexplainable it's an ifo

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yeah but it but anyway my eye says I

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always say in the end of my shows Keep

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to the sky I'm always looking yes I

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never know you never know what you're

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gonna see so this case in particular how

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did you first hear about it and how did

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you become the person to do all the work

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to go

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um well I'll just explain

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um I mean I came across this case I

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underst I came across it actually in

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late December 2017 because by that point

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I was working on another case the

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pantook incident which we can talk about

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some other time if you want

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um the I was looking for a lot of uh

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video evidence maybe someone had caught

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to that case you know but then I saw

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something up in North Wales and there it

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was right there you know some UFO caught

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on video in North Wales and okay this is

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that's really interesting and then a

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couple of months later I was up in North

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Wales visiting the family and they

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showed me the full video you know the

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real full video and I could tell

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straight away I said what you felt that

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at night and you know in the middle of a

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storm as well and I said has anybody

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ever done any investigative work on this

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call it done by a man named Peter Glenn

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he was like a local researcher at the

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time and he interviewed the family you

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know he went up to the tracks and after

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the Farmland to see if there was any

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human

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there that might explain it and he had a

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look around and he did some really you

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know good in that it's a little bit of

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analysis here and that excuse me

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and I thought well that's interesting

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you know you've got some real good stuff

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there but I could really think I would

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take this further you know I could do a

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sit down with all the family you know

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really walk the grounds and understand

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this look at all the radar returns of

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planes and you know get the video

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analyzed and you know really bring the

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the full details of this case out you

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know because I felt that that was a lot

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of stuff that wasn't you know

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I just knew this was a really solid case

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it just needed the details to be real

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but that's how I that's how I came to do

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it and uh of course you know um it all

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came together in the end with the book

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there which is on sale on Amazon now

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um and the reason you know the reason I

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call it a truthful argument for the

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existence of UFOs I mean

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for me it's not that I don't need

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convincing it's just if someone's

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looking for a case to convince them you

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know it's like oh yeah okay UFOs maybe

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real but show me one case that actually

279
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may

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offers some definitive evidence I would

281
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say that's the case right there

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because you've got video evidence for

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great Witnesses you know you've got a

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situation that can't be explained away

285
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as balloons or helicopters or planes or

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or any of the other usual things which I

287
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go into detail in the book you know so

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you have to conclude and that the expert

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independent analysis done by Jason

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gleaves now he's a former RAF man yes I

291
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know Jason yep yeah yeah you're very

292
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good he is he's very good does UF only

293
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um he he concluded that it was

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unexplained and you know

295
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once you've eliminated uh all the

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problem whatever remains must be the

297
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answer right no so isn't that the same

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well you know when you look at the the

299
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part where uh early on

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in that that clip that I showed earlier

301
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you look in that part and it's sort of

302
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you're doing a nice uh overlay of you

303
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know the night shot and then the day

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shot and back and forth and it looks

305
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like it's just like on a tree level like

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in a tree level and my my question has

307
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anyone gone to that site where this was

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and and look for any type of anything

309
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you know I mean you can see what it

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looks like it could be behind the trees

311
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or in the trees or just above three line

312
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did that yourself I've been there myself

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I went up there in uh was it late 2018.

314
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so it's a couple years after but like I

315
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said Peter Glenn

316
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the original local research he'd been up

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there himself but this is just a few

318
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days or a week or so after the event to

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see there was any signs of UFO or any

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sort of you know human activity because

321
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you know there's a farm there and

322
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there's a golf course there and

323
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everything maybe it could have been that

324
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now I know what you're getting at

325
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um I actually went up there myself and

326
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when you see where the lights are along

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the sort of like just a little so like

328
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the layout of the Land There was what we

329
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call it um the horizon line there

330
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whatever you call it you know where you

331
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can see the tops of the Hill yeah you

332
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know the lights run

333
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sort of parallel along that line you

334
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know just sort of like stays on it but

335
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it goes into the trees and then it seems

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to like you know come around again now

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if that's some

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you know who's the one who does metabunk

339
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oh yes uh Mick West yeah you know I

340
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sometimes find him I sometimes find him

341
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interesting you know because he does

342
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offer some unique insights into things

343
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oh yeah sometimes he's he's actually

344
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solved a couple of things yeah I know I

345
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mean I like the critic I like the

346
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critics because they keep me on my toes

347
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because you need someone to be critical

348
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of you otherwise you've just got people

349
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accepting you from for what it is but I

350
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mean he's gone out there on ridiculous

351
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claims on a few others you know with all

352
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this Gimbal and all that you know yeah

353
00:14:05,509 --> 00:14:02,899
you call this one aliens on golf carts

354
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that sounds like something something he

355
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would do I will I will give you uh I

356
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will give you um 10 out of 10 for that

357
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one because I didn't think of that one

358
00:14:17,629 --> 00:14:14,579
uh I didn't think of that one but um no

359
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I mean the golf course is over to the

360
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left there's a quarry over to the right

361
00:14:23,150 --> 00:14:21,540
there's a farm in the middle I thought

362
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maybe it's the farmer but he doesn't

363
00:14:27,470 --> 00:14:25,500
work at night in that area anyway

364
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and if there's somebody driving around

365
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in a vehicle on that part of the Hill

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there

367
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um it would have to be

368
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basically going into the forest and

369
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somehow driving through thick dense

370
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wooded areas and then coming back out

371
00:14:44,030 --> 00:14:41,760
they would have to be hitting all the

372
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trees and the fences and the poles and

373
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everything there's just

374
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Peter Glenn found no evidence of anyone

375
00:14:52,069 --> 00:14:49,740
up there with a vehicle that night or

376
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evidence of anyone else and when I had a

377
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look around myself and I started looking

378
00:14:58,389 --> 00:14:55,740
at satellite images and possible

379
00:15:01,790 --> 00:14:58,399
explanations nothing nothing came close

380
00:15:04,730 --> 00:15:01,800
it's just a crusted is it a crested Hill

381
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or does it carry on a while at that

382
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height

383
00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:08,220
uh I'm not sure what you mean by cross

384
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to tell well it shows like a hill and

385
00:15:17,569 --> 00:15:14,060
I'm just wondering is it a is it like a

386
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do you want to call it a mountain or I

387
00:15:21,350 --> 00:15:19,079
mean does it continue going on up behind

388
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it yeah does it keep continue level or

389
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does it is it six level a stage level

390
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but then it sort of like goes down

391
00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:26,699
behind this so if anyone was driving a

392
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vehicle that it would be hidden by the

393
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um so like the little Mound bit there

394
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before yeah that's right like this oh

395
00:15:36,769 --> 00:15:35,459
yeah yeah yeah yeah so no that's good

396
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you have to check out all these things

397
00:15:41,150 --> 00:15:38,880
you know because you have to if you can

398
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replicate it somehow by doing something

399
00:15:46,670 --> 00:15:43,680
then you know that would be an answer

400
00:15:48,889 --> 00:15:46,680
but uh but this also the lights behaved

401
00:15:51,949 --> 00:15:48,899
very unusually didn't they

402
00:15:53,750 --> 00:15:51,959
oh yeah I mean um the four Witnesses uh

403
00:15:56,210 --> 00:15:53,760
the first one to see it wasn't uh Nathan

404
00:15:57,829 --> 00:15:56,220
Thomas he was 12 at the time it's like 3

405
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A.M in the morning and he's just

406
00:16:02,030 --> 00:16:00,300
watching television and he hit a bang

407
00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:02,040
outside the window blown has been over

408
00:16:06,290 --> 00:16:04,560
and he looks over and he thinks you know

409
00:16:08,269 --> 00:16:06,300
there's something out there that's

410
00:16:10,430 --> 00:16:08,279
making a night but he turns back to his

411
00:16:11,689 --> 00:16:10,440
television I think no maybe it's just a

412
00:16:14,389 --> 00:16:11,699
reflection but then he opens the window

413
00:16:16,129 --> 00:16:14,399
and there it is in the distance and his

414
00:16:18,889 --> 00:16:16,139
brother and his mother his brother Alex

415
00:16:21,829 --> 00:16:18,899
his mother Linda Pritchard and uh the

416
00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:21,839
granddaughter of their mother

417
00:16:26,449 --> 00:16:24,720
um Kira George they all saw it and they

418
00:16:28,430 --> 00:16:26,459
all describe the light to me like

419
00:16:30,170 --> 00:16:28,440
rotating

420
00:16:31,610 --> 00:16:30,180
and flashing like fun you know like

421
00:16:33,670 --> 00:16:31,620
instant flashes but then they sort of

422
00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:33,680
dim down instant Flash and they dim down

423
00:16:38,030 --> 00:16:36,720
Kira would describe it in ways like if

424
00:16:39,410 --> 00:16:38,040
you're watching a light Shimmer

425
00:16:40,970 --> 00:16:39,420
underwater you know it's like you get

426
00:16:43,069 --> 00:16:40,980
that sort of shimmering kind of effect

427
00:16:44,569 --> 00:16:43,079
you've seen that on a cam the water's

428
00:16:46,310 --> 00:16:44,579
calm but it's shimmering and it's like

429
00:16:50,030 --> 00:16:46,320
the lights are like that

430
00:16:51,650 --> 00:16:50,040
and here's the thing that you probably I

431
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:51,660
do describe it in the book and in the in

432
00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:53,759
the video documentary The the actual

433
00:16:57,769 --> 00:16:56,399
lights start doing this start tilting at

434
00:16:59,389 --> 00:16:57,779
around 40 degrees so they're not level

435
00:17:02,329 --> 00:16:59,399
anymore they've tilted up to like 40

436
00:17:05,030 --> 00:17:02,339
degrees like this and then in sequence I

437
00:17:07,789 --> 00:17:05,040
mean like in a like in a row you're

438
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:07,799
saying oh yeah they continue to flash in

439
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:10,559
this very unusual pattern and yeah

440
00:17:14,569 --> 00:17:13,199
uh but there as they as they're flashing

441
00:17:16,730 --> 00:17:14,579
they don't have some they don't seem to

442
00:17:17,870 --> 00:17:16,740
say pan but they do seem to look the way

443
00:17:21,530 --> 00:17:17,880
they flash you know you've got some

444
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:21,540
smaller ones and larger ones and it's I

445
00:17:25,909 --> 00:17:24,240
I'm like what is that you know what I

446
00:17:27,289 --> 00:17:25,919
mean but it's it's sometimes it's doing

447
00:17:30,110 --> 00:17:27,299
it it's doing this you know the the

448
00:17:32,210 --> 00:17:30,120
continuing flashes move if you imagine

449
00:17:33,590 --> 00:17:32,220
this is the object I believe it is to be

450
00:17:35,630 --> 00:17:33,600
like a normal shaped object they're

451
00:17:37,010 --> 00:17:35,640
flashing along that line but then you

452
00:17:39,049 --> 00:17:37,020
know they tilt up and then they flash

453
00:17:41,390 --> 00:17:39,059
along like that and that's very clearly

454
00:17:43,789 --> 00:17:41,400
stated in the eyewitness testimonies I

455
00:17:45,830 --> 00:17:43,799
got from all four family members I mean

456
00:17:47,090 --> 00:17:45,840
you know they're very consistent in

457
00:17:48,650 --> 00:17:47,100
everything they say that's why they make

458
00:17:50,990 --> 00:17:48,660
such great Witnesses

459
00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:51,000
now what about um I did notice it was a

460
00:17:54,830 --> 00:17:53,280
red a red light

461
00:17:56,990 --> 00:17:54,840
like I don't know I can't remember it

462
00:17:59,029 --> 00:17:57,000
was flashing or if it was just a red

463
00:18:01,070 --> 00:17:59,039
light I did see a red light didn't I

464
00:18:02,390 --> 00:18:01,080
there's a red light somewhere I mean

465
00:18:04,010 --> 00:18:02,400
where the lights are flashing there

466
00:18:05,210 --> 00:18:04,020
there is yeah I know the image you're

467
00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:05,220
talking about that's actually a red

468
00:18:09,590 --> 00:18:07,440
light that's on the top of something

469
00:18:11,210 --> 00:18:09,600
it's flashing there's something red on

470
00:18:13,010 --> 00:18:11,220
the top and there's um

471
00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:13,020
you may have seen an image that clearly

472
00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:14,400
shows that yeah you've got the big blue

473
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:16,080
lights or whitish blue lights and you've

474
00:18:20,930 --> 00:18:18,720
got that red one and on the top there

475
00:18:23,630 --> 00:18:20,940
um that was mentioned by all four family

476
00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:23,640
members and this this is where David

477
00:18:28,430 --> 00:18:25,919
Williams he's the next door neighbor of

478
00:18:30,409 --> 00:18:28,440
these this family and he's known them

479
00:18:32,330 --> 00:18:30,419
all his life and I don't know how we

480
00:18:34,789 --> 00:18:32,340
done it right but he he got the video

481
00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:34,799
himself he screen captured an image he

482
00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:36,240
must have caught the most perfect image

483
00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:37,679
over them all right to be able to do

484
00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:38,400
this

485
00:18:43,130 --> 00:18:40,559
and he just enhanced it and enhanced it

486
00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:43,140
and somehow he he was able to generate

487
00:18:49,130 --> 00:18:46,320
that lovely clear you could even see the

488
00:18:51,529 --> 00:18:49,140
top part of what looks to be like the

489
00:18:54,169 --> 00:18:51,539
oval top of this object where the red

490
00:18:56,029 --> 00:18:54,179
light meets up and I was just like how

491
00:18:58,370 --> 00:18:56,039
did you manage that because

492
00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:58,380
I tried with a number of screen captures

493
00:19:01,669 --> 00:19:00,000
where I think the lights are the most

494
00:19:04,130 --> 00:19:01,679
well lit up

495
00:19:05,930 --> 00:19:04,140
to actually you know maybe get some sort

496
00:19:07,610 --> 00:19:05,940
of shape or definition to it and I can't

497
00:19:08,510 --> 00:19:07,620
get anywhere near as good as what you've

498
00:19:09,890 --> 00:19:08,520
done

499
00:19:12,289 --> 00:19:09,900
you know but

500
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:12,299
uh no I don't think it was I think if

501
00:19:15,470 --> 00:19:13,919
whatever that comment said an aircraft

502
00:19:17,570 --> 00:19:15,480
Market I don't think I don't think was

503
00:19:18,770 --> 00:19:17,580
an aircraft of any kind because you know

504
00:19:20,690 --> 00:19:18,780
like I've said

505
00:19:22,909 --> 00:19:20,700
they they are all four funnels they

506
00:19:24,529 --> 00:19:22,919
clearly say this thing is rotating and

507
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:24,539
at some point it's tilting and rotating

508
00:19:28,430 --> 00:19:26,880
and the lights are still continuing to

509
00:19:30,529 --> 00:19:28,440
flash and

510
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:30,539
you know I mean they saw this thing for

511
00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:32,640
15 minutes and I have to point this out

512
00:19:36,770 --> 00:19:34,740
it was a storm that night

513
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:36,780
you know so it's like early hours of the

514
00:19:42,350 --> 00:19:39,840
morning Winds of up to 50 60 miles an

515
00:19:44,570 --> 00:19:42,360
hour it's pouring down with rain

516
00:19:46,610 --> 00:19:44,580
and you know it's like freezing it's

517
00:19:49,010 --> 00:19:46,620
like zero degrees outside you know just

518
00:19:50,750 --> 00:19:49,020
above zero so it's not the kind of ideal

519
00:19:53,210 --> 00:19:50,760
conditions for anyone to be doing any

520
00:19:54,830 --> 00:19:53,220
flying or walking or training or

521
00:19:57,710 --> 00:19:54,840
anything in really

522
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:57,720
so let's go into how

523
00:20:01,850 --> 00:20:00,000
um the you said it was a younger one I

524
00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:01,860
can't remember what age you said 12 or

525
00:20:07,789 --> 00:20:04,380
something yeah he first of all he was up

526
00:20:10,850 --> 00:20:07,799
at 3am and he was watching TV and he saw

527
00:20:13,730 --> 00:20:10,860
something like uh through the window how

528
00:20:16,250 --> 00:20:13,740
how did that all how did it all start

529
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:16,260
well like I said he was um they were

530
00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:18,240
just just watching television late at

531
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:20,100
night very quietly

532
00:20:24,350 --> 00:20:22,080
um the wind blew has been over he looked

533
00:20:25,730 --> 00:20:24,360
outside to inspect what he was he didn't

534
00:20:26,930 --> 00:20:25,740
know it was the benefits of course it

535
00:20:29,210 --> 00:20:26,940
was like a loud bang he thought what's

536
00:20:30,409 --> 00:20:29,220
that and as he as he looks out his

537
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,419
window the window's not open he's

538
00:20:34,669 --> 00:20:32,400
looking through the window of course you

539
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:34,679
see something flashing there's something

540
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,240
between you know like flashing in the

541
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:38,400
distance so you thought oh that's

542
00:20:41,450 --> 00:20:39,840
probably the TV or something you know

543
00:20:43,370 --> 00:20:41,460
it's just a reflection on my television

544
00:20:44,450 --> 00:20:43,380
so he looked at the television he looks

545
00:20:45,950 --> 00:20:44,460
at the window and there's nothing there

546
00:20:48,169 --> 00:20:45,960
but then as he not it's not coming from

547
00:20:50,270 --> 00:20:48,179
the television he opens the window you

548
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:50,280
know he actually opens it now and you

549
00:20:54,250 --> 00:20:51,600
can see it's coming from the distance

550
00:20:57,890 --> 00:20:54,260
there it's actually physically out there

551
00:21:00,529 --> 00:20:57,900
you know so did either and then the

552
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,539
family all obviously walk up the whole

553
00:21:04,909 --> 00:21:02,880
family yeah they started the way Nathan

554
00:21:07,610 --> 00:21:04,919
went to go get his brother Alex who was

555
00:21:09,230 --> 00:21:07,620
14 then and I think he kind of felt he

556
00:21:10,669 --> 00:21:09,240
was being wound up a little bit by uh

557
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:10,679
Nathan he said oh there's a you I think

558
00:21:13,850 --> 00:21:12,000
I don't know if he said if it was a UFO

559
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:13,860
aside or there's some some sort of alien

560
00:21:20,150 --> 00:21:18,000
uh maybe he did say uh UFO and Alex

561
00:21:21,650 --> 00:21:20,160
Sawyer was just winding him up but you

562
00:21:23,210 --> 00:21:21,660
know he's tired he wants to go to sleep

563
00:21:25,850 --> 00:21:23,220
he goes there and well you know

564
00:21:27,529 --> 00:21:25,860
instantly he wakes up you know wow what

565
00:21:28,850 --> 00:21:27,539
is that and that's that's something that

566
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:28,860
really struck me you know you're tired

567
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,000
you want to go to sleep but then

568
00:21:34,430 --> 00:21:32,240
instantly you're focused on this thing

569
00:21:35,810 --> 00:21:34,440
that's when he started filming you know

570
00:21:38,090 --> 00:21:35,820
because he'd had this

571
00:21:39,950 --> 00:21:38,100
camera given to him for his birthday

572
00:21:41,810 --> 00:21:39,960
Nathan and he just decided to start

573
00:21:43,310 --> 00:21:41,820
filming at him and I was like dude I'm

574
00:21:44,690 --> 00:21:43,320
so glad you've done that

575
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:44,700
too bad you're gonna have more of a

576
00:21:47,810 --> 00:21:46,080
steady hand

577
00:21:49,549 --> 00:21:47,820
but it's hard you know when you get

578
00:21:52,430 --> 00:21:49,559
excited over something like this it's

579
00:21:55,070 --> 00:21:52,440
hard for anyone to be able to to you

580
00:21:58,730 --> 00:21:55,080
know plus he was walking I and adults

581
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,740
got involved so or one adult anyway was

582
00:22:02,510 --> 00:22:00,240
it more than one adult

583
00:22:04,610 --> 00:22:02,520
it was their mother she was sleeping

584
00:22:06,409 --> 00:22:04,620
downstairs and

585
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:06,419
one I think he may have been Alex who

586
00:22:09,649 --> 00:22:07,679
went and woke her up you know because

587
00:22:11,149 --> 00:22:09,659
they wanted her to see this because they

588
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,159
were quite excited you know they were

589
00:22:14,029 --> 00:22:13,200
getting really really uh excited by it

590
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:14,039
all

591
00:22:18,830 --> 00:22:17,280
and uh she was like you know she thought

592
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,840
maybe you know the way they're reacting

593
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:20,400
you know is the house on fire or

594
00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:21,600
something you know you know she had to

595
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,700
react like that you know the excitement

596
00:22:26,810 --> 00:22:25,200
that they had but she went upstairs she

597
00:22:29,149 --> 00:22:26,820
looked out the window and

598
00:22:31,130 --> 00:22:29,159
you know you can you can hear their

599
00:22:32,750 --> 00:22:31,140
voices in the video I had to subtitle

600
00:22:35,810 --> 00:22:32,760
just you know just let people see what

601
00:22:38,029 --> 00:22:35,820
they were saying yeah and um you can

602
00:22:40,490 --> 00:22:38,039
hear me clearly hear them say you know

603
00:22:42,649 --> 00:22:40,500
they don't know what it is but it's

604
00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:42,659
amazing you know you can hear it in

605
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:43,980
their tone of voice the way they're

606
00:22:49,310 --> 00:22:46,320
talking the words they're using you know

607
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:49,320
they know that they know their area they

608
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:50,880
know they've lived there all their lives

609
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,520
you know up until that point and they

610
00:22:57,230 --> 00:22:55,440
understand what's normal and what's not

611
00:23:00,770 --> 00:22:57,240
normal and so on

612
00:23:02,570 --> 00:23:00,780
but um this is this is something clearly

613
00:23:10,850 --> 00:23:02,580
uh

614
00:23:13,130 --> 00:23:10,860
got four witnesses to the actual event

615
00:23:15,169 --> 00:23:13,140
did they anyone having an inclination to

616
00:23:17,090 --> 00:23:15,179
drive toward it

617
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:17,100
no no I don't think so I think they

618
00:23:21,770 --> 00:23:19,919
maybe may have been a bit uh

619
00:23:24,409 --> 00:23:21,780
too excited and focused on what they

620
00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:24,419
were seeing rather than to go out there

621
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:26,280
um I don't know I I mean it's not

622
00:23:29,210 --> 00:23:27,600
something that normally people would do

623
00:23:30,110 --> 00:23:29,220
to go and drive towards someone like

624
00:23:32,570 --> 00:23:30,120
that

625
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,580
but no no one found in England to do

626
00:23:35,930 --> 00:23:34,320
that no they were they were in a good

627
00:23:38,990 --> 00:23:35,940
position to see it from where they were

628
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,000
yeah and as far as you know were there

629
00:23:43,010 --> 00:23:41,520
any other Witnesses from I mean that is

630
00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:43,020
in the middle of the night so for there

631
00:23:48,350 --> 00:23:45,059
to be other Witnesses would be you know

632
00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:48,360
kind of uh pretty rare but did you did

633
00:23:53,690 --> 00:23:50,940
anyone try to find any put any type of

634
00:23:55,610 --> 00:23:53,700
notation out there I did put out a feel

635
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:55,620
a couple of times to see if anybody else

636
00:23:59,930 --> 00:23:58,320
knew or if anyone else saw it but they

637
00:24:01,549 --> 00:23:59,940
seem to be the only ones who saw it you

638
00:24:03,770 --> 00:24:01,559
know it was just by pure chance that

639
00:24:06,289 --> 00:24:03,780
Nathan's been blew over to alert him to

640
00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:06,299
it when you say a bin blew over do you

641
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,280
mean like a a garbage can or something

642
00:24:11,870 --> 00:24:10,080
yeah well you know oh yeah you know

643
00:24:13,250 --> 00:24:11,880
those big uh Council bins you know

644
00:24:15,890 --> 00:24:13,260
they're quite sizable bins you know

645
00:24:18,049 --> 00:24:15,900
they're like um the size of a large

646
00:24:20,930 --> 00:24:18,059
child you know you know big big wheelie

647
00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:20,940
bin kind of thing I see yeah it was full

648
00:24:24,289 --> 00:24:22,440
of rubbish as well you know because the

649
00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:24,299
Christmas rational so you know it takes

650
00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:25,740
it means I'm taking a fair gust of wind

651
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:26,820
to blow it over because those things

652
00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:29,039
don't knock over easy yeah and what type

653
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:31,140
of storm was there that night

654
00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:32,880
oh you know the kind of gale force

655
00:24:36,350 --> 00:24:34,200
trotting of the wind you know the

656
00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:36,360
typical Stones we get over here you know

657
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:37,320
I mean

658
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,080
gale force winds heavy downpour rain

659
00:24:43,610 --> 00:24:42,240
you know real you know it was I think it

660
00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:43,620
was one I won't say it was a wreck

661
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:45,240
record-breaking storm but it was

662
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,799
definitely one for the record books

663
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,720
excuse me yeah

664
00:24:52,010 --> 00:24:50,159
um

665
00:24:54,049 --> 00:24:52,020
I've talked to other people in the UK

666
00:24:55,730 --> 00:24:54,059
and they say you know there's not

667
00:24:57,890 --> 00:24:55,740
there would be more sightings here

668
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:57,900
probably but the weather you know

669
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:01,440
there's a lot of uh you know uh soggy

670
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:05,039
days and uh you know uh but so this is

671
00:25:07,250 --> 00:25:06,480
interesting that happened in the middle

672
00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:07,260
of

673
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:11,220
makes it even more special yeah yeah

674
00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:13,919
that's that's pretty interesting so how

675
00:25:20,029 --> 00:25:16,860
did this thing end how did they did they

676
00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:20,039
see it take off or or did Black you know

677
00:25:25,970 --> 00:25:23,220
blink out or or what was the end of it

678
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,980
well Nathan and Alex and Allen were

679
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:28,080
still watching it and

680
00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:31,140
I think Alex was like Alex's voice is

681
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:32,520
probably the best one to describe it

682
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,279
because the lights just went off

683
00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:37,679
hmm one minute is turning blinking doing

684
00:25:41,810 --> 00:25:40,260
that unusual glowing thing and then it

685
00:25:43,850 --> 00:25:41,820
just stops

686
00:25:45,769 --> 00:25:43,860
and then I can hear it in the video you

687
00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:45,779
know if you watch excuse me you watch

688
00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:47,220
the documentary

689
00:25:50,690 --> 00:25:48,360
um

690
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:50,700
you know it's like he just says oh don't

691
00:25:58,430 --> 00:25:56,690
and it was just like

692
00:26:01,370 --> 00:25:58,440
why would you care if it stopped you

693
00:26:05,570 --> 00:26:01,380
know if it's just a regular thing

694
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,580
yeah and uh did did they like watch for

695
00:26:09,409 --> 00:26:07,200
a long time afterwards to see if it

696
00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:09,419
might come back I think they did watch

697
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,460
for a little while but I'm not sure how

698
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,440
long I think maybe yeah probably stay

699
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,360
there for 30 40 more minutes and then

700
00:26:20,510 --> 00:26:18,240
maybe an hour in the morning yeah yeah I

701
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,520
know but it never it never came back and

702
00:26:24,110 --> 00:26:21,840
then of course

703
00:26:26,810 --> 00:26:24,120
um I'll tell you this you know it's been

704
00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:26,820
it was January 3rd 2012 so we're into

705
00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:28,500
the 11th year of it now and they're

706
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,360
still dying to see it again

707
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,159
so that no one's ever seen anything like

708
00:26:36,769 --> 00:26:34,799
it again since well since no the only

709
00:26:38,690 --> 00:26:36,779
thing I was able to find on that is when

710
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,700
I was doing some research on the history

711
00:26:41,870 --> 00:26:40,559
of the area I mean this place has had a

712
00:26:43,490 --> 00:26:41,880
lot of sightings

713
00:26:45,049 --> 00:26:43,500
and they well I think I thought if it

714
00:26:47,690 --> 00:26:45,059
was a week before or just a week after

715
00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:47,700
somebody took a picture of some disc

716
00:26:51,890 --> 00:26:49,740
shaped object that was not too far away

717
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:51,900
from where this one happened just near

718
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,480
the castle there Denby has a castle an

719
00:26:58,610 --> 00:26:56,640
ancient castle it was quite old you know

720
00:27:00,970 --> 00:26:58,620
it's a bit it's a bit run down but it's

721
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:00,980
still standing in some parts and

722
00:27:05,230 --> 00:27:03,600
bacteria has seen a lot of a lot of

723
00:27:07,610 --> 00:27:05,240
activity over the years

724
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:07,620
and how far is it away is that from

725
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:10,200
where you actually live

726
00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:12,360
oh I'm down in the South part of Wales

727
00:27:16,909 --> 00:27:14,340
so I don't know how long it is maybe

728
00:27:19,789 --> 00:27:16,919
just over 100 odd miles Maybe

729
00:27:23,330 --> 00:27:19,799
yeah yeah so families to go

730
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:23,340
yeah and and and the area is known for

731
00:27:29,390 --> 00:27:26,880
other events besides uh the one you just

732
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,400
mentioned yeah I mean um there was a

733
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:30,960
case that happened there I think it was

734
00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:32,820
in I found them exactly the air right

735
00:27:43,450 --> 00:27:34,020
now but it was The Bear Went Mountain

736
00:27:50,090 --> 00:27:46,970
how I pronounce it anyway it was a UFO

737
00:27:53,390 --> 00:27:50,100
case that happened in 19 oh forgive me

738
00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:53,400
if I get this wrong but 1974 local the

739
00:27:56,570 --> 00:27:54,600
mountains are not too far away from

740
00:28:00,169 --> 00:27:56,580
where the MB is anyway

741
00:28:02,450 --> 00:28:00,179
but um local residents heard uh An

742
00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:02,460
Almighty explosion which shook the

743
00:28:06,169 --> 00:28:04,440
ground rattled their homes and windows

744
00:28:08,750 --> 00:28:06,179
and everything

745
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,760
um there was a some sort of seismic

746
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,520
single record I think it was like a 3.6

747
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:13,919
but uh during that time the military

748
00:28:18,769 --> 00:28:16,020
were on the scene pretty quickly for the

749
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,779
residents to to notice them they thought

750
00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:20,880
a plane had crashed or something

751
00:28:24,610 --> 00:28:22,740
and they wanted to come and help and see

752
00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:24,620
if they could actually you know maybe

753
00:28:28,730 --> 00:28:26,580
offer some assistance because some

754
00:28:29,930 --> 00:28:28,740
people were trained in in the medical

755
00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:29,940
field

756
00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:32,279
and there was a witness I think her name

757
00:28:36,049 --> 00:28:34,140
was Pat she was with her two daughters

758
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:36,059
but I believe she had children with her

759
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:38,880
she was able to see what the what this

760
00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:41,039
object was and it was like some large

761
00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:43,799
spherical glowing red object of some

762
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,700
kind

763
00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:46,799
uh she couldn't you know she wasn't like

764
00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:48,360
right by but she could see it on the

765
00:28:51,950 --> 00:28:50,340
other side of a you know a month inside

766
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,960
or something

767
00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:53,520
and it appeared to be like the military

768
00:28:57,289 --> 00:28:55,740
were around it they had you know lights

769
00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:57,299
flat shining on it like they were

770
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:00,840
studying it and

771
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:03,840
um yeah the object was there for a while

772
00:29:09,049 --> 00:29:06,960
and then I believe as some others have

773
00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:09,059
uh researched it

774
00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:11,340
it took off and went somewhere else but

775
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:12,840
it was um

776
00:29:18,889 --> 00:29:17,039
written off as a a a storm of you know

777
00:29:21,049 --> 00:29:18,899
sort of flashing some flashing meteor

778
00:29:23,210 --> 00:29:21,059
and storm at the same time or something

779
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,220
like that anyway but that's a very

780
00:29:27,769 --> 00:29:25,200
well-known case in Wales but there have

781
00:29:31,090 --> 00:29:27,779
been others you know there's been um

782
00:29:34,490 --> 00:29:31,100
it was a one called

783
00:29:36,529 --> 00:29:34,500
which I have in the book

784
00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:36,539
um I think that one happened in 1979

785
00:29:41,149 --> 00:29:39,480
some bullet-shaped craft came down

786
00:29:43,549 --> 00:29:41,159
landed in a farm field behind a

787
00:29:46,490 --> 00:29:43,559
residency and six or seven Witnesses

788
00:29:48,529 --> 00:29:46,500
definitely saw some occupants get out of

789
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:48,539
this thing you know typical object it

790
00:29:54,289 --> 00:29:51,600
had no rollerblades or or propellers or

791
00:29:56,090 --> 00:29:54,299
anything it came down silently seemed to

792
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,100
have a different type of

793
00:30:00,590 --> 00:29:57,840
propulsion system on it you know the

794
00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:00,600
type of we would say is anti-gravity and

795
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,179
I actually met one lady when I was on uh

796
00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:05,760
when I was um up in North Wales she

797
00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:07,020
spoke to me

798
00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:10,020
and a few others and she said she saw

799
00:30:13,970 --> 00:30:11,820
two occupants who were like seven feet

800
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:13,980
tall and they were walking in the pair

801
00:30:16,909 --> 00:30:15,419
you know alongside I feel like they were

802
00:30:18,889 --> 00:30:16,919
collecting samples or just doing some

803
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,899
sort of some sort of observations and

804
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:20,159
then they got back in this object and

805
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,600
took off and then the military came

806
00:30:26,750 --> 00:30:23,279
there quickly

807
00:30:28,610 --> 00:30:26,760
and um uh again you know like the

808
00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:28,620
military just show up and start you know

809
00:30:33,529 --> 00:30:31,260
taking over the place

810
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:33,539
um there's there's also another one uh I

811
00:30:36,409 --> 00:30:34,320
don't know if you've heard of a

812
00:30:40,850 --> 00:30:36,419
researcher named Gary Rowe

813
00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:40,860
no but before we move on to to Gary uh

814
00:30:44,269 --> 00:30:42,600
just a couple of questions you said

815
00:30:46,370 --> 00:30:44,279
there was a bullet shape that was a

816
00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:46,380
bullet shaped craft is that what you

817
00:30:49,850 --> 00:30:48,360
said yeah it was a bullet-shaped craft

818
00:30:51,889 --> 00:30:49,860
you know it's in a it's in something

819
00:30:53,149 --> 00:30:51,899
called bufora it's like the British UFO

820
00:30:54,889 --> 00:30:53,159
research oh yeah

821
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:54,899
yeah there's a case it's actually it's

822
00:30:58,010 --> 00:30:56,340
all it's in my book you know I actually

823
00:30:59,090 --> 00:30:58,020
mentioned in these cases in a book you

824
00:31:01,370 --> 00:30:59,100
know that

825
00:31:03,409 --> 00:31:01,380
North Wales is definitely a hot spot for

826
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:03,419
UFO activity trust me

827
00:31:09,649 --> 00:31:06,960
and did the woman that you met did she

828
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:09,659
describe what the occupant looked like

829
00:31:13,850 --> 00:31:12,059
yeah uh two of them actually they were

830
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,860
very humanoid you know they were

831
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,120
definitely arms and legs but they had

832
00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:17,039
like these sort of like you could

833
00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:19,260
describe them as radiation suits on like

834
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:21,720
some sort of silvery colored suit with a

835
00:31:25,490 --> 00:31:24,480
stripe maybe on them and uh let me see

836
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,500
if we can get an image do you want to

837
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:27,360
see if I I'll if I don't find it it's

838
00:31:30,409 --> 00:31:29,039
fine but there is an image in the book

839
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,419
here

840
00:31:34,970 --> 00:31:32,399
but um

841
00:31:36,889 --> 00:31:34,980
no North Wales definitely has a lot of

842
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:36,899
sightings but you actually described

843
00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:39,000
them as two seven foot tall beings you

844
00:31:42,169 --> 00:31:40,500
know arms and legs like everyone else

845
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:42,179
but um

846
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:46,500
there it is on page 45.

847
00:31:54,370 --> 00:31:51,120
yeah um oh yeah that is the suit that is

848
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:54,380
the suit she uh suit yeah

849
00:32:00,529 --> 00:31:57,000
wow and this is uh what year was this

850
00:32:02,210 --> 00:32:00,539
one 1979 I believe yeah

851
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:02,220
well I tell you what if uh you know I

852
00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:04,500
mean the argument goes for you know a

853
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:06,120
lot of people say that it's so you know

854
00:32:10,130 --> 00:32:07,799
it was military secret craft I don't

855
00:32:12,649 --> 00:32:10,140
there's another case where you know in

856
00:32:14,750 --> 00:32:12,659
1979 if we had a bullet shape thing that

857
00:32:16,090 --> 00:32:14,760
could land and why we would have seven

858
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,100
foot people

859
00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:19,200
uh in it uh taking samples you know I

860
00:32:23,149 --> 00:32:21,480
mean that's it's it would be one there's

861
00:32:24,769 --> 00:32:23,159
a lot of other cases I could mention you

862
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:24,779
know yeah you just mentioned uh Gary

863
00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:27,360
something another Gary Rosary a

864
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:29,159
researcher he's he's been doing this a

865
00:32:33,409 --> 00:32:30,480
long time and if you ever speak to him

866
00:32:35,570 --> 00:32:33,419
he's a wealth of knowledge he did

867
00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:35,580
something called um the European Roswell

868
00:32:41,630 --> 00:32:38,700
I think that was a case up in uh

869
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,640
which is just sort of like uh sort of

870
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:43,679
Midwest Wales area

871
00:32:47,149 --> 00:32:44,460
um

872
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,159
he recovered some very strange piece of

873
00:32:51,710 --> 00:32:49,440
craft I don't know if it was a military

874
00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:51,720
or Advanced military or whatever but

875
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,460
he's had this thing tested and he says

876
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,919
it's very unusual but he's got this

877
00:32:59,690 --> 00:32:57,840
little honeycomb

878
00:33:01,490 --> 00:32:59,700
um piece as well he says it's very light

879
00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:01,500
but it's very strong like steel you can

880
00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:02,940
stand on it it won't even it won't even

881
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:04,380
so much as

882
00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:06,000
you know I mean he's got this like large

883
00:33:09,289 --> 00:33:07,559
green piece of it as well apparently

884
00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:09,299
there was something that had exploded

885
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,700
and left the Brio over the place

886
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:13,679
some farmer had called in to say if you

887
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,640
want to come out here and have a look

888
00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:16,320
you know but by the time he got there

889
00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:17,880
the military or somebody had come in

890
00:33:22,029 --> 00:33:19,860
there and clean it up and

891
00:33:25,370 --> 00:33:22,039
you know

892
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,380
these pieces supposedly exist somewhere

893
00:33:28,570 --> 00:33:27,120
yeah he's got a piece of it like in a

894
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,580
security lock box

895
00:33:33,409 --> 00:33:31,200
has he ever had it tested

896
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:33,419
according to him he had it tested and

897
00:33:38,570 --> 00:33:36,360
it's got some sort of strange paint or

898
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,580
um some sort of covering on it that

899
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:40,320
would be very useful for today's modern

900
00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:41,760
aircraft because obviously when we fly

901
00:33:45,649 --> 00:33:44,460
crafted mark one Mark II Mark III or

902
00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:45,659
whatever they they seem this this

903
00:33:49,850 --> 00:33:47,700
materials was very resistant to that

904
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:49,860
kind of it's very aerodynamic kind of

905
00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:53,100
covering coating sort of stuff you know

906
00:33:57,289 --> 00:33:55,080
very Advanced I don't understand it

907
00:33:59,450 --> 00:33:57,299
myself but that's what he told me

908
00:34:01,250 --> 00:33:59,460
yeah I mean it's it seems like someone

909
00:34:03,649 --> 00:34:01,260
would want to do as much testing on

910
00:34:06,409 --> 00:34:03,659
something like that as they could yeah I

911
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:06,419
agree I I I never really um I mean there

912
00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:08,280
is a documentary on it called the

913
00:34:11,210 --> 00:34:09,780
European Roswell

914
00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:11,220
that's what it's called the the what's

915
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,260
up the European yeah the European was

916
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,320
Roswell sorry it's a very interesting

917
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:18,720
case I mean like I said I thought I mean

918
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:20,280
you know down in the South part of Wales

919
00:34:23,570 --> 00:34:21,960
I've got one here look the pan Turk

920
00:34:25,490 --> 00:34:23,580
incident I've done that one with cast

921
00:34:27,050 --> 00:34:25,500
clock I know she's been on each show

922
00:34:29,329 --> 00:34:27,060
before so we you probably already know

923
00:34:30,589 --> 00:34:29,339
the details that one we've now confirmed

924
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:30,599
I'd just like to say this we've now

925
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:31,740
confirmed

926
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:34,740
that um the Welsh government were not

927
00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:37,440
informed of an exercise and we've just

928
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:39,300
didn't learn that the police and the

929
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,040
other local areas we know anyway they

930
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,960
weren't informed but we've uncovered the

931
00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:44,399
truth about them never been informed

932
00:34:49,609 --> 00:34:46,859
about an exercise but the best one

933
00:34:51,409 --> 00:34:49,619
is uh we wrote to the mod and we asked

934
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:51,419
him did you have any training or low

935
00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:54,240
flying exercises for South Wales in

936
00:34:59,570 --> 00:34:57,420
February of 2016 and the answer was no

937
00:35:01,730 --> 00:34:59,580
they did not so what was all that

938
00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:01,740
military Firepower and Equipment doing

939
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:03,300
around you that night if you weren't on

940
00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:05,400
a low flying training exercise

941
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:07,740
you saw yeah we've had Witnesses who

942
00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:09,180
actually saw what was shot down in

943
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,619
smilogue woods because something was

944
00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:12,480
shot down that night

945
00:35:18,109 --> 00:35:15,480
and and how many have more witnesses

946
00:35:19,490 --> 00:35:18,119
wait uh this is a question I just got to

947
00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:19,500
get it out of the way that popped up and

948
00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:21,480
thank you for putting it in caps those

949
00:35:27,410 --> 00:35:24,300
of you in chat uh this goes back to your

950
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:27,420
case the the den the Danby lights did

951
00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:29,400
you check and we'll jump right back to

952
00:35:33,290 --> 00:35:31,560
to what we're talking about but did you

953
00:35:36,349 --> 00:35:33,300
check with the local law enforcement

954
00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:36,359
about the uh Denby like yeah the

955
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:38,460
situation the police were actually

956
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:41,160
contacted by the family themselves and

957
00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:43,440
yeah they asked them you know do you

958
00:35:46,609 --> 00:35:45,240
know what this is they were shown the

959
00:35:48,829 --> 00:35:46,619
video

960
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,839
you know they were informed about what

961
00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:50,880
had happened

962
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,180
um they radioed I think some office that

963
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,640
they they have contact with you know um

964
00:35:59,870 --> 00:35:58,079
were there any helicopters out that

965
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,880
night did anybody fly something that

966
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:01,920
night and they confirmed no

967
00:36:06,589 --> 00:36:04,560
there's nothing up that night uh they

968
00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:06,599
just put the um

969
00:36:11,390 --> 00:36:08,579
the video down to nothing more than

970
00:36:13,609 --> 00:36:11,400
Ramblers which in our country is people

971
00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:13,619
walking the countryside at night

972
00:36:17,329 --> 00:36:15,480
you know get people who like to walk the

973
00:36:19,250 --> 00:36:17,339
countryside because we've got a lot of

974
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,260
lovely mountains and walk you know

975
00:36:23,569 --> 00:36:22,079
famous Trails here but uh I don't know

976
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:23,579
why would they would say that but I

977
00:36:27,710 --> 00:36:24,720
guess they were just looking for any

978
00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:27,720
excuse I have tried to um get that

979
00:36:31,849 --> 00:36:30,060
report from the police you know I even

980
00:36:33,710 --> 00:36:31,859
filed another foia request but there's a

981
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,720
lot of data protection laws around it so

982
00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:35,280
I'll probably get my hands on it

983
00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:37,560
sometime but you know but they were

984
00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:39,420
contacted they said it was Ramblers you

985
00:36:42,589 --> 00:36:40,380
know and that was about as far as they

986
00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:42,599
went but at least

987
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,040
um they confirmed there was no aircraft

988
00:36:50,030 --> 00:36:47,280
there at the time right getting back to

989
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:50,040
the pen test how how do you pronounce

990
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:52,740
that and Turk to say pen and Turk you

991
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:55,920
know like turkey getting back to that

992
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:56,700
um

993
00:37:02,750 --> 00:37:00,480
since I spoke with Cass have there been

994
00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:02,760
more witnesses that actually came

995
00:37:07,730 --> 00:37:06,180
forward since that yes uh I don't know

996
00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:07,740
when exactly you spoke with Canada I

997
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:09,780
think it was but we've had

998
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,240
at least three three new Witnesses we've

999
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:14,880
got about maybe 10 or 12 now

1000
00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:17,280
but only so many are willing to go

1001
00:37:22,010 --> 00:37:19,140
publicly or at least allow us to release

1002
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:22,020
some sort of uh recording of themselves

1003
00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:25,200
we've got a Mark Morris uh Jacob Coleman

1004
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:27,960
they both saw the green objects

1005
00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:30,480
the helicopters were chasing

1006
00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:32,520
um some very interesting things from

1007
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:34,980
Jacob he says he saw two Apaches you

1008
00:37:37,370 --> 00:37:36,119
know describes I guess you know this is

1009
00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:37,380
the green object let's see this is the

1010
00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:38,820
green object here there are two Apaches

1011
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:41,220
looking right at it locked onto it with

1012
00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:42,420
their weapons you can clearly see

1013
00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:44,520
they're armed and it's like you know he

1014
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:45,780
can see them just all over the area

1015
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:47,099
where the green went we know something

1016
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:49,680
had been shot down

1017
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:52,800
um Jacob Coleman no sorry uh Mark Morris

1018
00:37:56,270 --> 00:37:54,060
says he saw

1019
00:37:58,430 --> 00:37:56,280
two red two green orbs they were like

1020
00:38:00,589 --> 00:37:58,440
moving like this and moving in and out

1021
00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:00,599
of each other shining some sign of light

1022
00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:03,480
around the area like they were trying to

1023
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:05,220
I don't know how you describe it but he

1024
00:38:08,990 --> 00:38:07,560
said it was very unusual they would like

1025
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:09,000
they would just like they were signaling

1026
00:38:11,930 --> 00:38:10,320
or something

1027
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,940
um no noise from either of these objects

1028
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:13,440
again

1029
00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:16,320
um and we've had someone who spoke to

1030
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:18,540
cats who up our website you know the

1031
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:20,940
where you can contact safely you know

1032
00:38:25,609 --> 00:38:23,220
contact us safely he and a friend were

1033
00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:25,619
actually camping in or uh the Woodside

1034
00:38:29,089 --> 00:38:27,060
night they're outdoor people they like

1035
00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:29,099
to do survival stuff and all that

1036
00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:32,040
and they hit her the bang they went down

1037
00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:33,900
to the area to look around and they saw

1038
00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:35,579
that the military

1039
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:38,760
were actually uh like some people in

1040
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:41,040
white hazmat suits as well approaching

1041
00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:42,660
an object that it hits some trees which

1042
00:38:47,569 --> 00:38:45,240
we now identify as the crash site and

1043
00:38:49,069 --> 00:38:47,579
they were watching quietly and when they

1044
00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:49,079
thought oh you know it's the military

1045
00:38:53,089 --> 00:38:51,720
it's fine I don't know why they decided

1046
00:38:55,010 --> 00:38:53,099
to step out and as soon as they stepped

1047
00:38:57,290 --> 00:38:55,020
out they grabbed them put him in a car

1048
00:38:59,569 --> 00:38:57,300
took their phones off them deleted all

1049
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:59,579
the information and left told the never

1050
00:39:02,450 --> 00:39:00,720
to go back

1051
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:02,460
now we've just recently put all that

1052
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,740
information on the pentuck UFO website

1053
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:06,720
YouTube page it's all there you can see

1054
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,119
it you know we've got a lot of new

1055
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:10,800
evidence now we're hopefully gonna get

1056
00:39:15,650 --> 00:39:11,760
some more

1057
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:15,660
now as far as now what are people afraid

1058
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,240
of I I understand at the time it sounds

1059
00:39:23,210 --> 00:39:20,160
like there were some more or less

1060
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:23,220
threats going on but why are people

1061
00:39:27,950 --> 00:39:26,160
afraid now they're to talk about it

1062
00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:27,960
ridicule

1063
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,880
some people got some of the witnesses

1064
00:39:33,470 --> 00:39:31,920
have got family members they're they're

1065
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,480
not going to jeopardize their safety

1066
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,760
over just because uh

1067
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:37,200
you know there might be some people who

1068
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:38,880
might take it the wrong way I don't know

1069
00:39:42,290 --> 00:39:40,380
you know they got their personal and

1070
00:39:45,290 --> 00:39:42,300
security reasons as well so family

1071
00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:45,300
reasons uh some of these people do have

1072
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,220
you know some very

1073
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,680
uh what can I say you know that their

1074
00:39:54,109 --> 00:39:52,079
jobs you know are very um specific you

1075
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:54,119
know I think some you know they they

1076
00:39:57,470 --> 00:39:55,920
can't you know they have very high

1077
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,480
profile kind of jobs in their

1078
00:40:01,069 --> 00:39:59,040
professions and

1079
00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:01,079
you know they don't want to risk losing

1080
00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:03,300
that maybe if someone were to find out

1081
00:40:06,589 --> 00:40:04,680
they

1082
00:40:08,270 --> 00:40:06,599
witness the UFO event because there's a

1083
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:08,280
lot of ridicule and stigma around this

1084
00:40:11,210 --> 00:40:09,839
case still even though we're you know

1085
00:40:13,569 --> 00:40:11,220
we're sort of getting around all that

1086
00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:13,579
but yeah yeah

1087
00:40:18,670 --> 00:40:16,320
isn't this sort of in a rural area do I

1088
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,680
have that wrong

1089
00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:20,880
yeah it's like a it's like a country

1090
00:40:25,730 --> 00:40:22,920
area you know sort of like a farm

1091
00:40:27,050 --> 00:40:25,740
Farmland Countryside kind of area yeah I

1092
00:40:30,370 --> 00:40:27,060
mean I wouldn't picture that there'd be

1093
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:30,380
a lot of people with an important

1094
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:32,579
you know it's not real like you know if

1095
00:40:35,930 --> 00:40:34,200
you like a house your house there it's a

1096
00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:35,940
town you know it's a small town like a

1097
00:40:38,450 --> 00:40:36,839
village

1098
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:38,460
that sort of thing

1099
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:40,800
because Clark has come under a lower

1100
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:43,200
stick even the family up in North Wales

1101
00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:44,520
you know if you want to go back to this

1102
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:47,940
I mean they they Nathan in particular I

1103
00:40:51,710 --> 00:40:49,140
mean

1104
00:40:54,109 --> 00:40:51,720
these all these people have done is

1105
00:40:56,210 --> 00:40:54,119
attack him for doing what what the hell

1106
00:40:58,490 --> 00:40:56,220
has he done wrong he gave you a video of

1107
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,500
something incredible

1108
00:41:02,089 --> 00:41:00,480
try to share it with you you know we've

1109
00:41:04,609 --> 00:41:02,099
put all the evidence for all this

1110
00:41:07,130 --> 00:41:04,619
evidence together you're going back to

1111
00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:07,140
the Demby lights yeah

1112
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:08,520
um I was just going to say because Kaz

1113
00:41:10,849 --> 00:41:09,359
Clark

1114
00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:10,859
has come under a lot of stick and a lot

1115
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:12,420
of fire for what she's done right come

1116
00:41:14,810 --> 00:41:13,260
public

1117
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:14,820
and because the other Witnesses have

1118
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,500
gone public as well it's there's just so

1119
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:18,720
much backlash and so much hatred and

1120
00:41:23,870 --> 00:41:22,560
it's like why you know I mean aren't we

1121
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,880
now getting to the point where we're

1122
00:41:28,609 --> 00:41:25,680
accepting this as a reality rather than

1123
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:28,619
something that needs to be constantly

1124
00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:30,540
you know bashed and ridiculed all the

1125
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,460
time it's yeah that's one of the things

1126
00:41:38,510 --> 00:41:35,040
that's one of the things it almost seems

1127
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,520
to me that people are looking to bash in

1128
00:41:42,050 --> 00:41:40,079
any circumstance

1129
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:42,060
you know like one side or another or

1130
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:45,000
black and white or whatever it is uh so

1131
00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:46,260
in this case

1132
00:41:50,329 --> 00:41:48,599
um I understand where he's going uh were

1133
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:50,339
there any electric wires up there on the

1134
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,720
hill

1135
00:41:56,690 --> 00:41:53,040
uh

1136
00:41:58,310 --> 00:41:56,700
there are electrical wires around there

1137
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,320
I did actually look for electrical

1138
00:42:01,910 --> 00:42:00,000
arcing in this

1139
00:42:04,490 --> 00:42:01,920
yeah there's no electrical arcing that

1140
00:42:06,650 --> 00:42:04,500
in the images that I no no you know like

1141
00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:06,660
a Transformer or anything I should point

1142
00:42:10,849 --> 00:42:09,480
out as well that I um the family uh

1143
00:42:12,650 --> 00:42:10,859
certain that

1144
00:42:20,810 --> 00:42:12,660
the

1145
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:23,510
oh yeah it just went off

1146
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,829
so can you repeat what you just said

1147
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,050
yeah um I was just saying the family

1148
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,160
think or they're very certain that the

1149
00:42:43,069 --> 00:42:40,560
object was a lot closer than actually

1150
00:42:44,569 --> 00:42:43,079
where you know the hill is up there

1151
00:42:46,370 --> 00:42:44,579
because one of the things I do in the

1152
00:42:49,130 --> 00:42:46,380
documentary and I describe it in the

1153
00:42:50,569 --> 00:42:49,140
book also is I try to see the left and

1154
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:50,579
right side of the lights you know the

1155
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,960
furthest points of where the lights are

1156
00:42:56,270 --> 00:42:53,760
you know you're thinking that that's the

1157
00:42:58,010 --> 00:42:56,280
end of the object there you know and I

1158
00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:58,020
think okay if I can line up that one and

1159
00:43:02,210 --> 00:42:59,640
line up that one with the image and then

1160
00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:02,220
put it on the you know the Google Earth

1161
00:43:06,349 --> 00:43:04,260
and just see how far apart they are and

1162
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,359
we can get an idea of maybe how big this

1163
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,640
thing is in diameter

1164
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:11,040
um they're certain it's around the

1165
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:13,260
football field area a place called Kai

1166
00:43:16,849 --> 00:43:15,720
Howell it's just not too far away from

1167
00:43:18,829 --> 00:43:16,859
where they live

1168
00:43:20,450 --> 00:43:18,839
and that would be consistent with what

1169
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,460
I've done with my analysis in this that

1170
00:43:23,809 --> 00:43:22,319
this thing's probably about 60 70 feet

1171
00:43:25,490 --> 00:43:23,819
wide

1172
00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:25,500
and um

1173
00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:27,420
if it was up on the hill if the lights

1174
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,460
are that hill and it is some sort of

1175
00:43:33,650 --> 00:43:31,200
disc object Maybe

1176
00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:33,660
it's uh it would have to be maybe three

1177
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,220
four hundred feet wide and I don't think

1178
00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:36,960
it was that big at all you know it just

1179
00:43:39,770 --> 00:43:37,980
doesn't

1180
00:43:42,349 --> 00:43:39,780
and they are certainly was a lot closer

1181
00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:42,359
and I you know I I checked for

1182
00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:44,280
electrical arcing electrical wires and

1183
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:46,260
all that stuff planes fireworks

1184
00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:48,000
sparklers

1185
00:43:52,730 --> 00:43:50,760
lightning storms you know there's just

1186
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:52,740
nothing that will explain it

1187
00:43:58,130 --> 00:43:55,680
uh you know this uh a person's also

1188
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,140
saying uh you know this video shows a

1189
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:00,960
fireball moving along the power lines uh

1190
00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:03,119
I'm you know I mean he's trying to get

1191
00:44:08,329 --> 00:44:06,060
at the point where uh but you've you've

1192
00:44:10,609 --> 00:44:08,339
gone over any possibility of this type

1193
00:44:13,250 --> 00:44:10,619
of situation I've looked at everything I

1194
00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:13,260
don't know if he's describing a fireball

1195
00:44:15,890 --> 00:44:14,579
along a power line I'd like to know

1196
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,900
where the power line is because there's

1197
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,520
not many power lines that run along that

1198
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,680
area there's a big road that runs up to

1199
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:21,119
the farm there and I've been on the site

1200
00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:25,200
myself on two occasions and

1201
00:44:30,109 --> 00:44:27,540
um you know it's it's not in that area

1202
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,119
it's it's more

1203
00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:32,400
Central and it's in line with the wooded

1204
00:44:36,530 --> 00:44:34,200
area rather than you know the power

1205
00:44:38,809 --> 00:44:36,540
lines as he's describing I think at the

1206
00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:38,819
end I'm gonna run that uh the video clip

1207
00:44:42,650 --> 00:44:41,220
one more time so people can see you know

1208
00:44:45,290 --> 00:44:42,660
there's a little bit of footage there I

1209
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:45,300
mean I can't just talk about uh

1210
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:46,560
something else that seems to be

1211
00:44:49,450 --> 00:44:47,940
consistent with all these interesting

1212
00:44:51,950 --> 00:44:49,460
UFO sightings

1213
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:51,960
they run along what some people would

1214
00:44:57,050 --> 00:44:54,319
call Ley lines you know

1215
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:57,060
the Earth has like these you know these

1216
00:45:00,410 --> 00:44:58,800
lines of energy that go through in

1217
00:45:02,510 --> 00:45:00,420
certain directions and then they meet at

1218
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:02,520
certain points you know like six Central

1219
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:03,960
points

1220
00:45:09,050 --> 00:45:06,480
well a lot of the UFO cases in Wales

1221
00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:09,060
seem to have a

1222
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,940
the actual events seem to happen along

1223
00:45:15,410 --> 00:45:13,680
them lines you know with Denby is and

1224
00:45:16,910 --> 00:45:15,420
where Bearwood mountain is and where

1225
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,920
Khan Academy there's those cases I just

1226
00:45:20,210 --> 00:45:18,720
mentioned the bullet shaped one they all

1227
00:45:22,010 --> 00:45:20,220
run along a Leyland that goes along

1228
00:45:23,089 --> 00:45:22,020
North Wales there

1229
00:45:24,589 --> 00:45:23,099
um there's another one that comes down

1230
00:45:27,230 --> 00:45:24,599
to the South which runs along the side

1231
00:45:29,210 --> 00:45:27,240
of pen Turk and you know we've got other

1232
00:45:31,010 --> 00:45:29,220
famous sites here like the rendelstrom

1233
00:45:33,290 --> 00:45:31,020
forest one uh there was another one in

1234
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:33,300
Wills for Nottingham and Sheffield and

1235
00:45:36,170 --> 00:45:34,200
all that

1236
00:45:37,849 --> 00:45:36,180
Scotland way and they all run along

1237
00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:37,859
where these lines are where they're

1238
00:45:42,050 --> 00:45:40,380
supposed to run along anyway I just find

1239
00:45:45,650 --> 00:45:42,060
that really interesting because that to

1240
00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:45,660
me suggests there's some connection and

1241
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:47,220
I would just like to point out as well

1242
00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:48,960
it always seems to be this this thing

1243
00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:51,900
about cutting down trees and

1244
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,700
tripping away or digging up soil

1245
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,200
depending on where I guess they are

1246
00:45:59,390 --> 00:45:57,839
there's a Woods up there where you say

1247
00:46:02,569 --> 00:45:59,400
the woods are quite I think it's called

1248
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,579
crack uh Christ melwoods I guess how you

1249
00:46:07,490 --> 00:46:05,280
pronounce it it's very unusual name

1250
00:46:09,710 --> 00:46:07,500
um the trees just a couple of weeks

1251
00:46:10,370 --> 00:46:09,720
after it happened and we're all chopped

1252
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:10,380
down

1253
00:46:13,730 --> 00:46:12,000
you know this area was a beautiful

1254
00:46:16,670 --> 00:46:13,740
wooded area it was a lovely scenery

1255
00:46:18,109 --> 00:46:16,680
place and uh Margaret Pritchard and

1256
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,119
Linda Pritchard you know they're sisters

1257
00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:20,880
you know and Margaret is uh the sister

1258
00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:22,859
of Linda Linda obviously sword but

1259
00:46:26,329 --> 00:46:25,020
Margaret didn't but she let this on to

1260
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:26,339
me she said well these were we were

1261
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:27,839
walking the area I said well these were

1262
00:46:32,329 --> 00:46:29,880
all cut down just six weeks or so after

1263
00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:32,339
it and I contacted

1264
00:46:35,210 --> 00:46:33,300
um

1265
00:46:36,170 --> 00:46:35,220
whoever it is responsible for that piece

1266
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:36,180
of land

1267
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:37,680
and they couldn't seem to give me an

1268
00:46:42,829 --> 00:46:41,040
answer but it obviously wasn't uh uh a

1269
00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:42,839
failing you know like a like a licensed

1270
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:44,760
felon they just chopped the trees down

1271
00:46:51,170 --> 00:46:47,520
after the logs are still there even now

1272
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,180
now the war the Warminster thing they

1273
00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:53,760
used to call it is that like hundreds of

1274
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,760
miles away from from you

1275
00:47:02,450 --> 00:46:58,800
Warminster Will's fault I think I've

1276
00:47:04,609 --> 00:47:02,460
mentioned uh uh Warminster uh maybe I

1277
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,619
have that wrong it was uh I had someone

1278
00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:06,480
on years ago that was talking about that

1279
00:47:13,809 --> 00:47:08,460
and I thought it was

1280
00:47:19,550 --> 00:47:16,970
okay all right well I'm sure there's uh

1281
00:47:22,609 --> 00:47:19,560
I think this is from back many years but

1282
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:22,619
I'm not I don't remember the details on

1283
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:24,000
it

1284
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,200
anyway uh yeah I mean I I love these

1285
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:30,480
these sightings in one area and it

1286
00:47:34,849 --> 00:47:32,520
doesn't make any sense you know I mean

1287
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,859
anytime there's an area where there's a

1288
00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:37,440
lot of UFO sightings to me uh you know I

1289
00:47:41,870 --> 00:47:38,940
mean some of them are interesting

1290
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,880
because there's something geological and

1291
00:47:44,809 --> 00:47:43,920
you're mentioning the Ley lines you know

1292
00:47:47,410 --> 00:47:44,819
that's

1293
00:47:49,569 --> 00:47:47,420
I guess you would call that a geological

1294
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:49,579
anomaly or not

1295
00:47:54,349 --> 00:47:52,319
sorry I'm interrupt you uh there's

1296
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,359
definitely a connection there I just

1297
00:47:58,609 --> 00:47:56,880
don't know what it is but if

1298
00:48:00,410 --> 00:47:58,619
if there's I mean there's there's

1299
00:48:02,329 --> 00:48:00,420
ancient structures there's Ley lines

1300
00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:02,339
mystical forests you know and all these

1301
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,260
ancient tales of

1302
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,720
very unusual things and they always seem

1303
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,400
to happen on these you know the really

1304
00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:10,319
good UFO sites now where you know you

1305
00:48:15,230 --> 00:48:11,940
have really good Witnesses good evidence

1306
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,240
and some some sort of craft that is uh

1307
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,000
very unusual so

1308
00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:20,880
yeah yeah there's something to it

1309
00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:23,460
that's right so I'm gonna run the clip

1310
00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:25,380
one more time just for those uh people

1311
00:48:29,809 --> 00:48:27,960
who who uh didn't catch her just

1312
00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:29,819
watching part of the show or just

1313
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:31,980
started joining us just now I'm gonna

1314
00:48:44,450 --> 00:48:40,550
well they're almost like fading and in

1315
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:44,460
and fading out you know and also I did I

1316
00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:46,560
see blue blue lights as well I thought

1317
00:48:51,950 --> 00:48:49,140
it saw a blue light

1318
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:51,960
is that my imagination no the lights are

1319
00:48:54,890 --> 00:48:53,520
kind of I guess it depends on how you

1320
00:48:56,809 --> 00:48:54,900
look at it I mean the lights are

1321
00:48:58,250 --> 00:48:56,819
definitely bluish and very white bright

1322
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,260
kind of things

1323
00:49:02,210 --> 00:49:00,000
but it's just the way that they flash in

1324
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:02,220
the way that they shim it I mean I I the

1325
00:49:05,150 --> 00:49:03,599
only way I can describe it it's like a

1326
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:05,160
it's like a flash of lightning you know

1327
00:49:09,770 --> 00:49:06,800
but it's it's very

1328
00:49:12,589 --> 00:49:09,780
encapsulated within that area um or you

1329
00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:12,599
know focused in that area I meant to say

1330
00:49:17,630 --> 00:49:15,720
um I would I did actually try to get a

1331
00:49:20,510 --> 00:49:17,640
really good frame of it once and do a

1332
00:49:22,910 --> 00:49:20,520
real in-depth analysis on it um

1333
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,920
I wish I had a picture but I mean I can

1334
00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:24,960
clearly see like triangular formations

1335
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:28,980
in there and circular formations and

1336
00:49:33,290 --> 00:49:30,660
I find it quickly because I don't want

1337
00:49:36,170 --> 00:49:33,300
to take too much time on this

1338
00:49:38,569 --> 00:49:36,180
but I mean I did a real analysis of the

1339
00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:38,579
frame of some of the some of these uh do

1340
00:49:42,770 --> 00:49:40,680
anyone else uh that does that type of

1341
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,780
work you know video analysis says have

1342
00:49:46,970 --> 00:49:44,640
other people looked at it try to figure

1343
00:49:48,829 --> 00:49:46,980
it out the only one I know besides you

1344
00:49:50,329 --> 00:49:48,839
know besides myself is Jason glees I

1345
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,339
mean if anyone else would like to take a

1346
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:51,839
look at it I mean what was happy to but

1347
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:55,200
if you look at page 179 I mean

1348
00:49:58,910 --> 00:49:56,640
I don't know if you could say I mean I

1349
00:50:00,349 --> 00:49:58,920
highlight certain areas look yeah it

1350
00:50:02,510 --> 00:50:00,359
might not be it might not be so it might

1351
00:50:04,910 --> 00:50:02,520
not be so clear there but you can

1352
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,920
clearly see on page 179 there's like two

1353
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,960
blue lights then there's four lights and

1354
00:50:10,250 --> 00:50:08,640
there's like you can see the red light

1355
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on top again and there's like the

1356
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triangle formation and there's like it's

1357
00:50:15,710 --> 00:50:14,339
almost like it's like in a lampshade in

1358
00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:15,720
something I can only describe it like a

1359
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,920
lampshade effect you know what I mean

1360
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,720
like it's like it's coming from like you

1361
00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:19,920
ever seen like a traffic light and you

1362
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:21,960
get those like cones that keep the light

1363
00:50:26,510 --> 00:50:24,720
inside the the plastic outline like you

1364
00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:26,520
know the plastic thing on top of it it's

1365
00:50:31,069 --> 00:50:29,160
kind of like that yeah so yeah describe

1366
00:50:33,470 --> 00:50:31,079
it yeah that does kind of look something

1367
00:50:35,329 --> 00:50:33,480
like that yeah well excellent thank you

1368
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,339
so much and uh it's time for you to go

1369
00:50:39,890 --> 00:50:36,720
to bed

1370
00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:39,900
but I really appreciate uh it's just

1371
00:50:43,309 --> 00:50:41,640
about 1am there for you I really do

1372
00:50:45,890 --> 00:50:43,319
appreciate you uh joining us trying to

1373
00:50:47,870 --> 00:50:45,900
say one thing I mean I'm just going to

1374
00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:47,880
London tomorrow I know you don't mind me

1375
00:50:52,849 --> 00:50:50,460
saying this but yeah I mean I know and I

1376
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,859
know in America you're having uh this

1377
00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:54,480
this family so we're going to the school

1378
00:50:57,470 --> 00:50:55,980
boards about you know this new sex

1379
00:50:59,870 --> 00:50:57,480
curriculum thing that they're putting

1380
00:51:02,329 --> 00:50:59,880
through you've heard about that

1381
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:02,339
um no but go ahead yeah well there's a

1382
00:51:05,690 --> 00:51:03,839
group over here called Public Child

1383
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,700
Protection whales who are taking the

1384
00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:07,200
Welsh government to call my Welsh

1385
00:51:09,950 --> 00:51:08,760
government to court because they're

1386
00:51:12,589 --> 00:51:09,960
trying to introduce or they are

1387
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,599
introducing a very highly sexualized SEC

1388
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,880
you know curriculum which is

1389
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,800
well let's just say it's not good for

1390
00:51:20,089 --> 00:51:18,720
children and it's not age appropriate at

1391
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:20,099
all and they're going to London

1392
00:51:23,089 --> 00:51:21,300
Parliament square and they're going to

1393
00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:23,099
raise awareness they've got a fundraiser

1394
00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:24,420
going on because they need to raise

1395
00:51:28,190 --> 00:51:26,760
money for the court fees it's in appeal

1396
00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:28,200
right now but they're really putting up

1397
00:51:31,309 --> 00:51:29,460
a good effort and I just think you know

1398
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:31,319
for anyone who's a parent or anyone

1399
00:51:34,130 --> 00:51:33,000
who's got children in school having

1400
00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:34,140
trouble with this you might want to look

1401
00:51:37,790 --> 00:51:35,940
at that so I just wanted to mention that

1402
00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:37,800
I hope you don't mind yeah that's fine

1403
00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:40,020
all right you take care now thank you

1404
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:42,839
and good luck with the book all right

1405
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:45,599
all right everyone so we will be back uh

1406
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:48,240
next week with uh Chrissy Newton and I

1407
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:50,579
want to thank you all very much for uh

1408
00:51:54,410 --> 00:51:52,440
hanging out with us tonight and we'll

1409
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:54,420
see you next week Keep Your Eyes to the

1410
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